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Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:04:00 - [1] Originally by: Juliette DuBois You know that paper currency loses its value constantly? And did you know that despite that Eve is still has one of the most expensive subscriptions out there? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 12:24:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/06/2011 12:26:47 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/06/2011 12:24:41 Originally by: Sunji Togenada Originally by: Rodj Blake And did you know that despite that Eve is still has one of the most expensive subscriptions out there? Compared to what, exactly? Runescape? Did WoW start charging $9.95 a month when everybody but me was looking? Is this what SW:TOR is charging? Less? Seriously, what other MMO is this constantly repeated weasel-words "EVE IS EXPENSIVE" argument talking about because I am missing out on great deals Yes, you are missing out on some good deals. Here's some examples. Monthly subscription fees: City of Heroes - ú8.99/month Runescape - ú3.50/month Sony Station Access (gives access to SWG, DCUO, PotBS, EQ, EQII, Vanguard, Planetside) ú18.75/month Now, arguably Eve is better than those games and well worth the Ç15 (equivalent to around $21) a month Europeans get charged for it, but if microtransactions get added on as well... Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 12:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Juliette DuBois Edited by: Juliette DuBois on 16/06/2011 12:42:49 What is basically boils down to is that companies that are not even expanding have to increase their profits about 3% every year simply because of monetary inflation. And as you know, CCP has expanded and started new projects so their income needs are bigger. Now, increasing your sub price constantly will probably seem bad in eyes of subscriber so MT is more appealing because you can constantly keep adding stuff that pulls money in and nobody complains about it as long as you are not too heavy-handed and greedy. You fail to take into account that the number of people playing Eve has increased substantially every year since it was launched. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 13:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/06/2011 13:08:43 Originally by: Ala Adoulin Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Juliette DuBois Edited by: Juliette DuBois on 16/06/2011 12:42:49 What is basically boils down to is that companies that are not even expanding have to increase their profits about 3% every year simply because of monetary inflation. And as you know, CCP has expanded and started new projects so their income needs are bigger. Now, increasing your sub price constantly will probably seem bad in eyes of subscriber so MT is more appealing because you can constantly keep adding stuff that pulls money in and nobody complains about it as long as you are not too heavy-handed and greedy. You fail to take into account that the number of people playing Eve has increased substantially every year since it was launched. Yet the budgets and projections to run the game were no doubt not based on 4,500 subscribers paying ú8 like there were when I first played. There may be more players now, but Im sure the income back then was no where near what was required to sustain the game. CCP managed to pay off the initial development costs several years ago, which implies that you have no clue about CCP's financial projections. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 13:11:00 - [5] Originally by: trolburt At first I assumed CCP must have taken on a bunch of debt to make Dust and WOD. But it turns out it is CCP's owners that have huge unpayable debts. See this thread http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1364142/page/1 So, yeah, looks like CCP is going to be nickle and diming from now on. I'll pretty much everyone at CCP hates it as much as we do, but they can't say anything. That would explain a lot. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 13:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Savage Angel How many other things still cost the same as they did years ago? Do you think they can go on forever producing content for 2003 prices? At least they are making the additional costs optional, for now. The cost of a new PC is lower than it was eight years ago. DVDs, CDs etc are all cheaper than they were eight years ago. Buying a house costs less than it did eight years ago in a lot of places. There's quite a few things that cost less than they did eight years ago. Also, whilst Eve's subscription cost may have remained the same, CCP's income has increased dramatically. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 14:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Creepy Goat Y'all forgetting what that dev said during the brief interview on AT at the weekend. Subscription based games are becoming less popular, and games like World Of Tanks and League Of Legends (free to play, microtransaction based) are becoming more popular. He specifically said that if EvE wants to survive for the next 10 years then they need to change their business model, which implies a possibly large drop in subscription price in the next few years; the decrease in revenue to be replaced with microtransactions and more new players. If Eve wants to be like most other MMOs, then I have to point out that most other MMOs have wizards and elves. I'm pretty sure that CCP could make more money by introducing them. The thing is, Eve has the reputation that it has today precisely because it's not like other MMOs. Also, whilst the micro-transaction may well work in a mainly PvE game with a bit of PvP tacked on as an afterthought, I really don't see how it can work in a competetive PvP game without seriously unbalancing things. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 14:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Maverick2011 WELCOME TO CAPITALISM!!! Its always about wanting more and more money. Works for us, works for them. Capitalism generally fails when it becomes a race to make the most amount of money in the shortest amount of time with no regard for the future. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 16:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Ehdward Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Maverick2011 WELCOME TO CAPITALISM!!! Its always about wanting more and more money. Works for us, works for them. Capitalism generally fails when it becomes a race to make the most amount of money in the shortest amount of time with no regard for the future. Capitalism doesn't fail, businesses fail. And disregarding the future would be continuing to stick with a dated business model that is apparently no longer working. How exactly is CCP's business model not working? Most companies would give their right arms to experience the sort of growth that CCP has achieved while using a subscription model. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

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